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Crowdsourcing time! I'm starting to poke at a multifandom vid, and I need some suggestions beyond my own usual scope of source material. Specifically, I'm looking at the women in refrigerators trope. More specifically, I'm looking for sci-fi/fantasy/comic book movies and TV shows that feature main characters' girlfriends/wives who are 1) killed off and then 2) appear to them later in dreams/visions/hallucinations.

Example: Jean Grey's death in X3 and then reappearance in Logan's dreams in The Wolverine.

I will also accept girlfriends who are believed to be dead and are later revealed to still be alive. (i.e. Bucky Barnes, except, y'know, the female equivalent.)

Any suggestions? :D?

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From:

lilacsigil

Jess from Supernatural! She is killed at the end of the first episode (Pilot), appears randomly as a vision soon afterwards ("Bloody Mary"), and shows up in twice more in visions in later seasons ("What Is and What Should Never Be" and "Free to Be You and Me").

From:

kaydeefalls

Cool beans! I had her on my shortlist based on the pilot, but I've only seen a handful of SPN episodes, so I wasn't sure if she'd work.

From:

theladyscribe

You should also include Mary Winchester, who dies in the same way Jess does and also reappears in flashbacks/dreams/visions throughout the series.

A less modern option would be Madeleine Elster/Judy Barton in Vertigo. The plot's a bit complicated, but that's a fairly early case of a woman in a refrigerator (there's a flashback that reveals that Judy impersonated the already-dead Madeleine; Judy also dies at the end of the film).

From:

musesfool

Shado from Arrow. Wiki explains it more succinctly than I could: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shado_%28DC_Comics%29#Other_media but there are spoilers, if you're interested in watching Arrow and haven't yet.

From:

kaydeefalls

Yup, I'm almost at the end of S2 on Netflix now, and Shado was the reason I decided to make this vid. :)

From:

musesfool

Ah.

Also, it's been ages since i saw it, so I could be remembering wrong, but wasn't this also a huge thing in "the Crow?"

From:

kaydeefalls

I've never seen that one -- I'll check it out!

From:

jadelennox

Buffy: probably lots of varied First Evil appearances, but I know it appeared as Drusilla to Spike. (It appeared as Jenny Calendar, but only to Angelus, not Giles. And it appeared as Nikki Wood to Robin, but that's mothers.)

Hercules: the legendary journeys: Hercules sees a vision of Deianeira in the Elysian Fields.

Arrow: Shado appears as a hallucination a LOT in season 2, and she's a total damn non-canonical fridging.

Vampire Diaries: Anna appears to Jeremy after she's dead. And never comes back. Because Julie Plec hates joy and happiness.

Angel: Darla appears in "Inside Out," but to Connor, not Angel.

Doctor Who is weird, because timey-wimey. Arguably River is fridged the first time we ever meet her and then everything we see after that is post-fridging, but it's an unfair characterization. (And a fair one at the same time!)

What about mothers? That's pretty common. Fraser's mum in Due South appears in visions in the finale, for example -- and in a much less characterized way than his ghost dad.

...going through my DW and fic tags it is obvious to me how successfully I tend to avoid fandoms with these tropes. Go, me!

From:

kaydeefalls

Damn, I was planning on using Jenny Calendar -- might do anyway, even though she doesn't appear to Giles. Hmph. And Dru never gets killed.

Shado is already at the top of my list -- she's the reason I started brainstorming this vid.

Doctor Who is pretty good at avoiding outright fridging. There's Lisa on Torchwood, though.

I know mothers are the most commonly fridged, but the song I'm using works a lot better for love interests. I guess I can expand it if I don't find enough, but I think it should be fine.

Thanks for all the suggestions! I haven't seen Hercules or Vampire Diaries, I'll look into those.

From:

jadelennox

The Hercules episode is The Other Side, season 2; she's killed in the series premiere as Hercules's entire raison d'etre, The Wrong Path.

Anna is amazing, and for extra credit, she's the biracial girlfriend of a white character. Also the showrunner has explicitly stated she was killed to create angst for her boyfriend, Jeremy. He has a lot of visions of her, because for a while, he can see the dead, so there should be a ton of clips, including a sad goodbye and her watching him hook up with another girlfriend.

http://vampirediaries.wikia.com/wiki/Jeremy_and_Anna

Any episode she's in for seasons two or three.

I'm looking forward to seeing the vid. :D

From:

alwaystheocean

I'll reply squealing about this idea in a sec but Jenny Calendar DOES appear to Giles, sort of. It's in 2x22 Becoming, Part 2.

*SPOILERS FOR THE EP IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT*

When Angelus has kidnapped Giles and they get Dru to pretend to be Jenny so Giles will tell them how to wake up Acathla. Is it OK if it's Dru? It's definitely a dream sequence, it seems to be a one-off thing Dru can do that's never referred to before or after.

*SPOILERS FOR THE EP IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT*

From:

kaydeefalls

Nothing Buffy is a spoiler for me. :) But yes, that scene! I knew Giles must've seen Jenny again somehow at some point.

From:

alwaystheocean

I didn't think so but was suddenly paranoid!! (Like, I find it so hard to believe there are people in fandom who don't know about S2 of Buffy, but I try to be open about such things.) But yes, that scene!

From:

andrealyn

What about wives who are believed to be dead and are later revealed to be alive? I give you Milady de Winter, via Musketeers! It's not sci-fi, but slightly fantastical?

From:

kaydeefalls

Not quite the genre I had in mind, but I'll bear it in mind, thanks!

From:

settiai

Criminal Minds. Hotch's wife, Haley, is killed in S5, and in S9 (the episode is "Route 66") he has hallucinations of her.

The "Kill Ari" episodes of NCIS feature, well, everyone seeing Kate even though she's dead.

From:

kaydeefalls

I've never seen either of those shows, so thanks for the heads up!

From:

settiai

For the NCIS one:

Kate's technically not romantically involved with any of the characters in canon, but if you need footage then I think you could definitely go with footage of her ghost/mass hallucination/whatever it actually was interacting with the characters of Gibbs, DiNozzo, or Abby. There was some pretty blatant subtext and flirting with those three at various points during her two years in the main cast.

Edited Date: 2014-11-26 03:10 am (UTC)

From:

settiai

*headdesks*

And I was just re-reading the post, and I totally missed that you were only looking for sci-fi/fantasy/etc. shows. Which these two aren't. I mean, they have some slight fantastical elements at times, but they're still not genre shows.

From:

lorax

Walking Dead kind of does this. Main character Rick's wife dies in childbirth and then he keeps seeing her around. (She is not a zombie, it's just him.)

Vampire Diaries does this all the time, with both genders. Jeremy sees his dead ex Anna, as well as Bonnie. Damon sees Katherine, who is later revealed to be alive. (It's probably going to be really hard to use an iteration of that for a vid though, because Nina plays like five characters, Jeremy might be easier as Bonnie and Anna aren't doppelgangers).

Supernatural did it straight off the bat with Jess, but also later with both Ellen and Jo, as Ellen returns later married to Bobby, but it's just an alternate future they have to undo, effectively killing her again, and Jo comes back as dead and she and Dean always had some romantic what-if chemistry.

I thought Game of Thrones did it, but now trying to remember, the only actual vision-seeing of dead that I remember is inverted, with Dany seeing Drogo.

Hannibal has visions of dead ladies hanging around, but they're not love interests.

Shado from Arrow was a good one too, but I see you got that covered!

From:

kaydeefalls

I kept thinking there had to be one from GoT, given how rampantly misogynistic that show can get (I love it, but still) -- but you're right, I think Drogo's the only onscreen fridging. I mean, Ygritte, sorta, but no visions of her later.

Walking Dead...hmmm. Definitely the right genre, but oh god, I don't want to watch that show.

From:

lorax

Yeah, I think she'd be the closest, but probably not slide in with the rest. I love GoT, but so hard to watch sometimes.

If it's something you think you would like to have, I could probably scan through and find the episodes it's in for you, but it sounds like you have plenty without suffering through a show you'd dislike looking at!

From:

pocketmouse

What about sisters? Samantha Mulder's reappearances are so confusing I don't know if they count as reappearances, hallucinations, or both. X-Files probably also has a couple other examples.

Jennifer Sisko from DS9, Shau're from SG-1?

From:

alwaystheocean

Oooh, these are all good calls.

From:

kaydeefalls

Yeah, I'm on the fence, because Samantha's a perfect fridge example. Melissa Scully shows up after she gets fridged, too. Maybe if I can't find enough love interest examples!

I'll check out the other two -- I've only seen a handful of DS9 eps, and no SG-1. Thanks!

From:

pocketmouse

Sisko's wife was killed at Wolf-359, which is why he hates Picard, passive-aggressively to his face. And Picard is very Britishly apologetic for unwillingly being a Borg and slaughtering large numbers of Federation ships.

Meanwhile (this is all in the pilot ep, that'll have all your clips) when he goes through the wormhole, the non-linear aliens inhabiting it don't know what to do with this guy who thinks time is linear but keeps mentally reliving things in the past. So they, uh, bring his wife back to ask him things. Because aliens.

From:

alwaystheocean

Oh my god I am so psyched for this :D :D :D :D

I will ponder ideas further but yeeeees.

Er, how do you feel about using comics? Too difficult? Cuz obv then you have the whole website of suggestions at your disposal... Alternatively, I'd suggest poking the website and seeing how many of them got made into movies?

From:

alwaystheocean

Also, on the Buffy front 'Conversations with Dead People' is sort of about this? Would Cassie being Tara's proxy for Willow work? Also, Joyce appears to Dawn after her death in the same ep but obv that's mothers, not partners.

From:

kaydeefalls

I have no talent for vidding comics, alas. But checking out the movies might work. I can't think of ANY good examples from the MCU, weirdly enough -- some dead moms, but all living girlfriends so far. Bucky's the closest example, and man, I kind of wish I could use him for the literal fridge shot! For DC - Rachel Dawes dies in Dark Knight, but Bruce doesn't have any flashbacks/dreams of her afterwards, so phooey.

I probably won't really get to working on this until after Festivids, FYI. :)

From:

alwaystheocean

Well, good on the MCU for avoiding THAT trope, I guess?! I don't blame you being tempted to use Bucky, and it would potentially be cool to gender-bend for that one?
And yeah, I thought of Rachel Dawes (THAT rage has stayed with me), but couldn't think of any flashbacks for her.

Hee, I assumed, don't worry, I think that'll be true of a lot of people. :)

From:

gelasius

I mean in the Iron Man 3 finale Pepper is temporarily-believed-killed by horrendous fall and then comes back because Extremus, but the time between those two events is only a few minutes so I'm not sure it counts for the second version of the trope. Hm.

From:

kaydeefalls

Yeah, he only thinks she's dead for like a minute or two. It's a subverted fridging. :)

From:

alwaystheocean

Hello, back again. I recently did an Angel re-watch. Wesley hallucinates Fred in 5x17 Underneath (obv there's also Illyria pretending to be her if you want more footage).

Wesley also hallucinates Lilah in...gah, i don't remember the exact episode already, I think it's Faith's first one, 4x13 Salvage maybe? Or 4x12 Calvary, maybe.

From:

such_heights

Feel like you'll already have a lot of these, bu off the top of my headt: Inception, Memento, Owen/Diane and Ianto/Lisa in Torchwood S1. Uther sees Ygraine at the start of Merlin S3. Doesn't Yue appear again to Sokka or Aang at some point in Avatat? And BSG did Adama and his dead wife that one episode,

From:

kaydeefalls

Got Inception and Torchwood's Lisa for sure; I was gonna use Freya from Merlin, but Ygraine might also work! I keep pondering BSG -- all the Cylon models complicate matters. But I'd forgotten about Adama's wife, good call.